https://www.facebook.com/climateemergency/videos/629893401068204/
There’s now a fair bit of experience with citizens assemblies or juries, in a range of formats, nationally and more locally based. What have we learned? Here’s one recent summary of how to do it from the Democratic Society. This third session on engagement heard additional reflections from several people closely involved in some of the UK’s efforts.
Rebecca Willis, Lancaster University. A citizens assembly selects participants to be representative of a population as a whole, so you have the (city) or country “in miniature, in a room”.
So: Climate Assembly UK recruited 110 citizens representative of the country as a whole in age, social background, ethnicity, educational level and views on climate change. This makes it different from a people’s assembly, which is typically open to anyone.
An assembly also about deliberation – with three phases: learning, deliberation, recommendations – each with a designed process.
This is a very good way to get a real understanding of how people think we should respond to the climate crisis. This is crucial because, as her own research has shown, politicians are very prone to underestimate public support for climate action. Even those who want to act on climate change worry about lack of public support.
Also, the climate community are good at saying what needs to be done, but bad at working out implementation. Item: how will you get a democratically elected government to back your plan? They seem to hope for a magic wand that will translate their technically argued solutions into action.
Without such a wand the challenge is to develop approaches to climate strategy that work with the grain of people’s lives and have a chance of winning support. Citizens’ assemblies can help.
For a longer view of the argument, see Becky’s new book, Too Hot to Handle: The Democratic Challenge of Climate Change.
In practice, it has been very encouraging to see the level of detail at which people engaged with very complex issues, which adds to the conviction that citizens’ assemblies are a good way of contributing to policy development and decision-making. “When MPs come along and see this process happening, they’re really bowled over by it”.
It is also useful that citizens, as non-experts, bring different, and often challenging, thinking to the problem. For example, during the Leeds citizens’ jury discussion, it was suggested that money earmarked for building a new link road to the airport could be diverted to finance improvements to housing instead – something normal policy discussion might not envisage.
The crucial thing is how this all links back into democratic decision-making, locally or nationally. In the national case, the assembly is feeding back to a clutch of select committees. Then, who knows? But there is a chance they can make representative democracy work better. The interim recommendations, relating to post-COVID recovery, are already posted on the website, and the full report is due in September 2020.
Bear in mind, though, that this is an example. There are other, smaller (and cheaper) deliberative processes that can also be set-up to be representative.
Peter Bryant, of Shared Future described one such effort.
SF have run citizens’ juries in Leeds, Lancaster and Kendall. Juries are smaller (20-40 people), but the process is similar. Used to be meetings, but now moving online, for obvious reasons.
In Leeds, the jury was designed to allow deliberation, which takes time – perhaps 30 hours in total (this is not a focus group). It involved 30 randomly selected members of the public, recruited by letter (4,000 sent out), with final participants chosen to fit a roughly representative profile of the city. Jurists were paid for their time – £250 in vouchers – and there was a budget for other support as needed.
With facilitators, they heard from witnesses/commentators on each topic, and produced recommendations. There was an oversight group for the whole process, allowing local stakeholders to approve the recruitment, the overall question, and identify the commentators who made presentations. It can also be used to help take the recommendations to decision-makers.
The sessions are tailored to the needs of the group, and involve plenty of ice-breakers, warm-ups, simple mapping exercises, and discussion in subsets large and small, both to come up with questions after witnesses’ presentations and for the recommendations. (That is, it is nothing like a jury in a courtroom).
The information-gathering ran over 8 evenings, with 2.5 hour sessions each time. Later sessions accommodated topics selected by the jury.
Rough cost for the whole exercise – £30-35k
Anonymous prioritisation of the recommendations, which is this case were presented to the city Council’s Climate Emergency Advisory Committee and are helping guide the work of the Leeds Climate Commission.
One result of all this is a group of people with a lot of knowledge and commitment, who can then take on a role in further policy discussion and review (and will probably want to).
Louise Crow from MySociety talked about the technology in all this.
Citizens assemblies need digital tools (now especially). These have to be set up to offer the essential attributes already noted – allowing representative input into a properly organised deliberative process. COVID aside, digital tools can offer some advantages, in terms of impact, transparency, visibility, openness to input and including a wide range of views. All of these can help build public support for the process and the recommendations for exercises that otherwise only involve a small number of people.
Specific possibiities. Before an assembly, there are digital routes to:
– Telling people it’s happening;
– Shaping the questions;
– Allowing submissions
(using web forms, free survey tools, and clustering tools).
During the assembly, you can go digital to
– help inform members
– manage attendance
– allow voting
– group participants
– access a wide range of experts
– assist deliberation
– represent arguments.
And evidence sessions can of course be broadcast.
Note, though, that Assemblies that went online in midstream because of COVID had to work hard to make sure people had the right kit and knew how to use it. Representative participation has to cross the digital divide to be meaningful.
Results and evidence can also be shared, by publication online or live streaming, as well as offering samples of participants’ experiences to a wider audience. And online offerings can help track implementation of recommendations and allow feedback from non-participants.
Note that the qualities sought in deliberative processes are not generally a feature of social media channels! So any social media accounts linked to assemblies and the like are probably best kept at a distance from the process.
Adopting digital tools, in general, is not rocket science. For most organisations it means extending things they already have some experience of, such as websites, blogging tools, email newsletters and surveys. But don’t forget the basics:
– Clear design;
– Discoverability;
– Accessibility;
– Plain language;
– and Archiving.
MySociety has a detailed report on Digital Tools for Citizens Assemblies, which is available here. (among other resources). This whole array of tools was discussed in more detail in the previous week’s meeting, including a talk and detailed slides from Louise’s colleague Alex Parsons.
Additional Resources
How to run a citizens’ assembly: Handbook from the Innovation in Democracy Programme
See the Zoom chat and continue the discussion below.
13:05:43 From Susanna Dart : Welcome to today’s seminar on Citizens Assemblies and Jurys. Please keep your sound and video off for the duration of the presentations. You may turn them on during the Q&A rounds.
This first session will include presentations from:
Rebecca Willis: https://www.rebeccawillis.co.uk/
Louise Crow: https://www.mysociety.org/about/team/louise-crow/
Pete Bryant: https://sharedfuturecic.org.uk/director/peter-bryant/
You can make comments and ask questions at:
https://climateemergency.org.uk/blog/citizens-assemblies-jurys/
13:06:37 From Susanna Dart : Presentations will be available after the seminar at: https://climateemergency.org.uk/blog/citizens-assemblies-jurys/
13:08:56 From scott.butterfield@blackpool.gov.uk : Hi All – I’d be interested to get comments on how we can involve the participants in an assembly/jury afterwards to champion individual level change across the borough – is this a likely outcome?
13:11:07 From Giles Archibald : Well said Becky.
13:11:17 From Katharine Lewis : Hi all, Where on Facebook is this being streamed please?
13:11:17 From Julie Milton : Are petitions a waste of time, given that they don’t demonstrably represent a x-section of society?
13:12:16 From Susanna Dart : @Katharine Lewis, find the live stream here: https://www.facebook.com/climateemergency/videos/629893401068204/
13:12:24 From John Pennell Norfolk ALC : is there a kindle edition of your book, Becky?
13:12:39 From Katharine Lewis : Thanks @Susanna
13:12:50 From Anne-Marie Benoy : What are your thoughts on the impact of deliberation methods on wider public engagement with climate change?
13:12:51 From Paul Tobin : Just found the link for Becky’s book: here it is https://www.waterstones.com/book/too-hot-to-handle/rebecca-willis//9781529206029
13:13:00 From Diane Sammons : Hi.. given the outcome would be recommendations ..how much influence will they have on the decision makers?
13:13:38 From Kevin Frea : Link to Rebecca’s book https://bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/too-hot-to-handle
13:17:03 From sophiag_c : Why not a commitment from the government to review the recommendations to be adopted either directly by government, get them to be voted by Parliament or directly by referendum as is the case in France?
13:17:12 From Hazel Graham : Could our speakers possibly give a view please on whether they think it should be mandatory for local authorities to implement the Jury/ Assembly recommendations. If not, why not? thanks so much
13:17:22 From Claire : I wonder how we can ensure we get a good representation of the community, rather than purely those with a specific interest.
13:18:20 From Julie Milton : Citizens’ Assemblies get intense coaching/teaching by experts such that by the end of the process, they’re not like ordinary citizens. Is this a problem, given that citizens who haven’t had that teaching may not share their informed views, and yet are being represented by the CA?
13:18:34 From Ad Oldman : How is the best way locally of convening that representative group that Becky mentioned, so that it is truely representative and doesn’t exclude certain sections of society to ensure buy-in?
13:18:38 From sophiag_c : How then can we get the government to pay attention?
13:18:49 From Graham Would be interested to know from the speakers, how people who might not normally ‘get involved’ might be encouraged/motivated to come forward and engage in such fora, for assemblies to be representative of all views on climate issues?
13:20:04 From Giles Archibald : I feel clear leadership can be given at the local authority level. Cumbria and Lancashire for example have the potential to provide leadership. Citizens Jury can underpin that leadership. Giles
13:20:07 From Claire MARION : there has been a citizen climate assembly established in France too. After 9 months of work, they have now presented 149 propositions to the Government. The Government committed to submit them to referendum or parliamentary vote
13:20:24 From Claire MARION : https://www.conventioncitoyennepourleclimat.fr/en/
13:23:02 From Hazel Graham Could our speakers possibly give a view please on whether they think it should be mandatory for local authorities to implement the Jury/ Assembly recommendations. If not, why not? thanks so much
13:24:28 From John Pennell Norfolk ALC : There is too much reliance on Government to do something when actually most actions required to combat the climate emergency are individual actions. Seems to me that these assemblies are encouraging people to rely on ‘them’ to do something. 🙁
13:25:34 From Ad Oldman : If we’re to try to pursuade politicians who might/will be sceptical, it would be useful to have ball-park figures for cost for some of the examples quoted if that’s possible please – thanks
13:26:48 From sophiag_c : Can you clarify who initially commissioned the work / these assemblies by / with Shared Future in these cities?
13:27:39 From Simon Moore : In Leeds I believe it was the Leeds Climate Commission, in partnership with the City Council
13:27:41 From John Pennell Norfolk ALC : how right Giles Archibald is
13:28:00 From Kevin Frea : Lancaster City Council & Kendal Town Councils,
Hazel Graham Could our speakers possibly give a view please on whether they think it should be mandatory for local authorities to implement the Jury/ Assembly recommendations. If not, why not? thanks so muc
13:28:45 From Jez : This looks great as a physical meeting with workshops and post it notes. How would this work in an online version in a Covid lockdown?
13:30:25 From Joanna Collins : to get individual Acton which has sufficient impact on c.change you need policy, carrots and sticks as well eg carbon taxes. maybe involving people in Citizens Assemblies could help individual action as well
13:30:59 From Andrea Smith, Climate Change Officer, Chichester : Although a lot of work has gone into getting a diversity of people, the juries are still small and would be very susceptible to individuals that participate it seems. What has been your experience? Do groups ever get dominated by one or two individuals?
13:31:24 From Paul Vittles : We know that Citizens’ Assemblies (like the French Convention) make ‘radical’ recommendations that we know are the kinds of transformational solutions needed to truly tackle the Climate Emergency (3 great examples here). What we don’t have yet are examples of Governments being brave enough to implement these recommendations (3 examples here!): https://twitter.com/landemore/status/1277552254296436736
13:31:33 From sophiag_c : To John, you are right, individual action matters except on a great number of issues ranging from pesticide use and food production, air pollution derived from transport if not disincentive to car usage or incentive to public transport, national energy use etc. It is also directly relevant to legislation that needs to be adopted by Parliament and implemented by government. So for instance it has been shown by scientific testing that many pesticides have been found in the blood of people who have been consuming organic food for many years. Individual action is necessary but not sufficient.
13:33:30 From Cedric (he or they) : how are questions of central government funding handled by the assembly? eg what if strong or binding recommendation to retrofit all properties in 5 years?
13:35:05 From Chris : Government can have massive impact whether through policy (such as planning) and how it spends funds such as on infrastructure. It therefore needs to act on findings and change the national approach to enable people to make changes to their local lives
13:35:14 From Jo Hand, Giki : Scott, we’ve built Giki Zero to achieve ongoing citizen behaviour change https://zero.giki.earth – once the energy is created, many people clearly want guidance on what they can do within their own lives to make a difference. It might be personal life changes, or encouraging companies to change, or taking local action.
13:36:35 From Simon Reynell : Most councils are near bankrupt, so can probably only make changes which are cost neutral, and therefore limited. The initial enthusiasm of the participants is likely to turn to disillusion, cynicism. Are CA’s offering false hope?
13:36:51 From sophiag_c : It should be the other way round too, local authorities especially those engaging with CA pushing the government to make more changes
13:37:38 From John Pennell Norfolk ALC : Town Councils can do anything that a person can do under the general power of competence
13:38:08 From henry goodwin How is the oversight panel chosen to ensure impartiality and is there an agreement that payment will not cause problems for those on benefits?
13:38:29 From Liz Reason : How do we prepare a meaningful climate action plan – with numbers?
13:38:32 From Jez : I am concerned that Suggestion to table National Policy change works only If you have a sympathetic MP.
13:42:50 From Paul Vittles : Good question Scott. Prior to the latest boom in deliberative processes, where we’ve had several examples of ‘Citizens’ Assembly ONLY’ or ‘Citizens’ Jury ONLY’, it was more typical to have deliberative & participative democracy initiatives which had wider participation as well as deep deliberation (I’ve written up & published case studies recently), and then all those involved via a range of methods can be involved and motivated to be involved in implementation and/or scrutiny. If you ONLY involve a small, selected few citizens in an Assembly or Jury, with NO wider involvement, you obviously limit future (motivated) involvement in implementation. The burden falls entirely on the Assembly Members or Jury Members. As has been said here, there is scope to involve Assembly/Jury Members in follow-up scrutiny – and I think this is essential for accountability; I just feel very uncomfortable (as a democrat) if the ONLY opportunity to participate is one (therefore exclusive) method.
13:45:22 From Hazel Graham : Is the Kendal Jury going to be on Zoom or some other option?Thanks
13:46:27 From scott.butterfield@blackpool.gov.uk : Thanks Paul – we’re considering running an assembly/jury but are also conscious to give as many people as possible a voice. Getting the interplay right between the two is important. And equally we don’t want to “lose” anyone who volunteered for the assembly but were not selected due to needing a representative sample!
13:46:37 From Jez : I still cannot see how the level of interaction and debate can happen online compared to in person. One cannot replace the other, only compliment.
13:47:26 From Chris : Are participants for virtual assemblies provided with the technology to ensure they can properly participate?
13:47:51 From Hazel Graham : What level of support, in really practical terms, did you need to put in place so that people who have never used online platforms before, were able to engage with the Kendal Jury?
13:48:24 From Liz Reason : And thinking of numbers, we have COP26 in November 2021, and it would be great if we could input some Locally Determined Contributions to match – or even exceed – the Nationally Determined Contributions.
13:48:32 From Rebecca Sandover : Yes I would like further discussion on how to build trust, rapport etc with jurors or assembly members in a wholly online process. Plus important issues of digital divides especially in rural areas.
13:51:05 From Julie Milton : CAn we have the web address for those 70 x 10-min videos that Louise Crow mentioned, please?
13:51:23 From Jemima Parker : Could you give us some indication of the potential cost of a Citizens Jury for a District level please? How have funds been found for the Juries that have already run on Climate Change?
13:51:33 From Paul Vittles : The ‘forced online’ impact of COVID19 could end up being a fantastic transformation, although some are itching to ‘go back to face-to-face’. Prior to COVID19, some practitioners were already running integrated f2f & online, synchronous & asynchronous, and more are moving in this direction now, necessarily, but there’s a mix of advocates and practitioners who see this as the permanent future and those thinking it’s just temporary until ‘we can go back to face-to-face’. I enjoy BOTH f2f and online, I deliberate on BOTH (have been doing so since 2008) and find the integrated approach works best. What I’d love to see for #WideAndDeep is a f2f & online CitizensAssembly with 100s of other local groups & online forums happening simultaneously, all tapping in to the common online knowledge hub.
13:51:41 From Liz : Break out rooms are possible…
13:52:23 From Rebecca Willis : hi Julie, all the videos of Climate Assembly presentations are here https://www.climateassembly.uk/
13:53:06 From Julie Milton : Thanks, Louise.
13:53:14 From Louise Crow : There’s a page of links by subject here too https://www.climateassembly.uk/about/resources/
13:53:42 From Julie Milton : Thanks – v. useful.
13:54:43 From Jane Campbell : Q for panellists: what factors helped convince local authorities that climate assembly/jury was the way forward – or were they all already on board to start with?
13:54:45 From Steve Martin : Prof Steve Martin :How do you achieve “balance” from the Witnesses chosen. Or how do you avoid bias?
13:55:41 From Giles Archibald : We also have a biodiversity crisis. Climate change is a driver, but not the most significant driver of this change. A Scientific paper indicates we could be in the 6th mass extinction, that could come within 250 – 550 years. (Happy to supply reference). The challenge is to dress both issues without diluting one or other. Giles
13:55:50 From Paul Vittles : Some people are quick to say ‘what about those who are not online?’ but don’t seem to invest much time or resources in DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! It’s great that York is forming a partnership to work towards 100% Digital City and Age UK is leading campaigns to help all older people have digital access. Better to solve the problem rather than keep raising the problem!https://medium.com/@PaulVittles/you-still-talking-digital-exclusion-or-are-you-doing-digital-inclusion-aaf9e2c7bcf5
13:56:59 From Giles Archibald : Councils are not near bankruptcy. We have set aside significant funds for this effort to tackle climate change and biodiversity loss. Giles
13:58:13 From Lily : @Giles – reference please, thanks
13:59:58 From Giles Archibald : Barnosky, A., Matzke, N., Tommie, S. et al. ‘Has the Earth’s sixth mass extinction already arrived?’. Nature 471, 51–57. https://doi.org/10.1038/nature09678
14:00:19 From Lily : Thank you Giles.
14:00:29 From Pete Bryant : Re. funding. At Leeds the jury made recommendations on funding – investments funds, green bonds etc.
14:00:47 From Claire : Many thanks all
14:00:48 From Paul Vittles : Interesting that some say “I can’t imagine people debating online, like they do face-to-face”. Remember that considered deliberation isn’t the same as ‘robust debate’. It works online. Did you notice how different the House of Commons was when some MPs were present f2f and some were online?
14:01:09 From Helen Davison : Thank you all very much. This has been really informative. 🙂
14:01:12 From Jane Campbell : Excellent session, thank you!
14:01:18 From Lisa Hopkinson : very useful session, thanks all
14:01:24 From Rebecca Sandover : Thank you, such a useful session.
14:01:41 From Jo Hand, Giki : Really informative, thank you
14:01:54 From Dee Ross : Thank you very useful
14:02:32 From gideon : Thanks everyone. It will be interesting to discuss our Great session again. Helps with thinking of Kirklees Climate Commission and linking into a citizens jury in a year or so.
14:03:29 From Ad Oldman : Thanks Pete for answering my difficult question on costs!
14:03:34 From Jemima Parker : Thanks for answering the cost question Pete.
14:03:56 From Lily : Shame that Prof Steve Martin’s wasn’t answered that I heard: How do you achieve “balance” from the Witnesses chosen. Or how do you avoid bias?
14:04:00 From Helen Davison : What’s Rebecca’s website address?
14:04:01 From Ad Oldman : Thanks again Kevin for organising a great event!
14:04:02 From Cedric (he or they) : brilliant, thanks, informative. good luck everyone