Posted by Climate Emergency UK on Monday, 13 July 2020
This was the last in a series of four zoom meetings on community engagement.
Geoff Barnard of South East Climate Alliance Described how progress in getting a foot in the door with councils has been “patchy”. But now there is movement, some new challenges are emerging.
SECA was established in Feb 2019. 14 local green groups came together, now grown to 88 members – Initially to encourage councils to declare a climate emergency, now more concerned with actions, and hence developing relationships, sharing good practice, and keeping tabs on council action plans.
Responses from councils have varied, from suspicion or defensiveness at one end of the spectrum to openness to engagement at the other.
The general shift has been toward more engagement. But there are still more than half of Councils where they don’t know about much in the way of engagement.
Example: West Sussex. SECA joined an investment ‘die in’ outside County Hall in Feb 2019. “We were advised that we’d be more influential if we were more respectful of the process” so we were very polite.
Relationship developed steadily over past year. Joined advisory group as a “critical friend”. Need to get the balance right between the critic and the friend!
Input on draft climate strategy gathered, and well-received.
Now moving to the next stage in quite a few places. Q: How to capitalise on new relationships?
Or, how does a Council engage with Green groups of often very different character, and can the groups evolve from pressure groups to effective delivery partners?
Role for networks, alliances, hubs? What models are there?
Engaging with green groups just one part of the picture.
Publishing the climate plan is the first step!
Need for (initial?) compromises; “parking the elephants”.
Rowan McLaughlan, of XR Educators talked about what XR thinks about how local councils are doing. There is no single answer: party because XR doesn’t work that way, partly because councils are doing different things.
But there are questions XR wants to ask.
– Does the declaration extend beyond council’s own operations?
– How typical are Redcar and Cleveland (who have been mentioned in these meetings before as offering good targets but falling behind in the actions promised)?
– How many councils have action plans?
– Have they led to concrete actions?
– Will it be enough if all the councils do as their plans propose?
80 per cent of councils have declared some kind of climate emergency now. But this doesn’t reflect the reality of the situation. Few have an early enough target for the whole borough. Only perhaps a third have a good enough target.
The most important thing is to talk to local XR group, who would love to help. “We want to work in partnership with people”.
Shana Tufail, Model My City: SDGs for Camden
Shana is involved with XR, and has also set up a CIC, Model my City, to encourage local adoption of the Sustainable Development Goals. “The idea was to bring the local council together with local businesses and residents”. Pitched to Camden Council sustainability group, which led to joint event in London Climate Week.
This, and other work with XR, developed into further work, encouraged by the leader of the Council leader (and also Keir Starmer), particularly via many meetings on climate issues.
Last year Camden Council hosted a citizens’ assembly and Shana was an observer at the third assembly event.
Also invited to join a local community group, The Sustainers, to see how XR could contribute to work in schools, and invited to speak at Camden climate emergency rally hosted by the Council.
When Camden passed its own climate emergency resolution, other initiatives followed, in schools, on the high street – with a climate pop-up space with its own shop front – used as an event venue until lockdown.
Work with head of strategy for Camden, and wider sustainability team.
During COVID interlude – Camden and partners have built on relationships established beforehand for mutual aid.
Julian Thompson Shared Assets & Land Explorer
Land Explorer is a mapping application developed by Shared Assets that helps community groups find, access and manage land.
That and work with XR underpins an interest in how climate emergency declarations relate to planning.
For example, Newcastle had a climate plan in 2010, so one can ask: what happened? And how close are they to their targets?
The answer was, “no idea; we haven’t measured it; the guy we hired to do the job we had to let go because we ran out of money…”
We’re in the midst of a shift with COVID, with more financial pressure. So we need to look again at climate emergency plans; local development plans; and perhaps already a neighbourhood plan. “It’s really important these threads are drawn together”, particularly when we’re looking at post-COVID regeneration.
So we all need to get involved as citizen planners in housing, energy, agriculture and transport.
Land Explorer as a platform supports that in terms of gathering information. Working to map assets of community value; space and sites for renewable energy; possible sites for peri-urban agriculture; space for re-wilding and regenerative agriculture.
XR, Plan B, and Client Earth are starting to launch legal challenges against some infrastructure planning decisions. It’s good if there are credible economic alternatives that activists can also point to.
That extends to work on governance structures – e.g. community land trusts – that can deliver the infrastructure that is better aligned with climate resolutions.
Also important for new, more resilient/climate-friendly infrastructure development projects in housing, energy, agriculture or transport to be community-owned and controlled – a “people’s Green New Deal”. Co-operative legal structures need development.
Councils (and others) don’t recognise the speed and scale at which we have to act.
It’s also important to connect LA plans with the “anchor institutions” such as universities, hospitals, emergency services, and schools. They need to adopt procurement policies that fit sustainability plans and contribute to community wealth building.
Example, in North Tyne, GDP is around 17.5 billion, of which 3 billion is public sector procurement. “That’s a big lever”.
Where does the money come from? Post-COVID, non-public sources of finance will be key. Pension schemes. Social income tax relief. Ways of activating community capital. Patient capital (pension funds again).
Comments
Bob Bollen, Kingston
Do we need a toolkit on how to engage with your Council?
Julian – we are trying very hard to publish all the info in a digestible form.
a) a playbook for setting up a climate emergency centre; with template letters etc
b) People’s Green New Deal – playbook is on the way
c) XR – Climate and ecological emergency working group producing stuff.
Zoom Chat from meeting.
13:20:49 From Susanna Dart : Welcome to today’s seminar on community engagement. Thank you for your patience today with all of the technical difficulties!
Today’s session will include presentations from:
Geoff Barnard: http://www.seclimatealliance.uk
Shana Tufail: Twitter @modmycity
Rowan Mclaughlan: Twitter @rowaninthewoods, rowanraven@protonmail.com
and https://learningrebellion.earth/
JulianThomson: https://sharedassets.org.uk/ and
http://www.landexplorer.cc
You will be able to find the recording of this seminar at: https://climateemergency.org.uk/events/
13:21:13 From Kevin Frea : Apologies to everyone for the mess up with the link today, we started late and the recording will be available afterwards at http://www.climateemergency.uk/events
13:21:49 From Carole to Kevin Frea(Privately) : I have been frantically trying to get in…looking forward to therecording.
13:24:37 From Kevin Frea : This is our last zoom session for a while, and when we start again we’ll probably be using Google Meet. meanwhile we’re going to be crowdsourcing data for an Action Plan database, if you can help please email declare@climateemergency.uk
13:30:44 From kate : This is England – 80%
13:34:25 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : In order to start to understand how your local XR group might feel about how your council is doing you need to consider…
1) Has a climate emergency been declared?
2) Does this include biodiversity etc. as well as carbon emissions?
3) When was it declared?
4) What was the target date for net zero?
5) Does this include the whole area or just council operations?
6) Have they committed to making an action plan?
7) Has a climate emergency steering group / action plan TTF group been formed?
8) What date is the action plan due to be written by?
9) Have local XR representatives been asked for input on the plan?
10) If that date is passed is has an action plan been produced?
11) Has the action plan been published on the council web page?
12) If no action plan has anew date for production been set?
13) Does the action plan call for a citizens’ assembly?
14) If yes is there a proposed date for that and has a budget been allocated?
15) Is the action plan SMART and costed?
16) Is there regularly reported information ava
13:36:17 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : 15) Is the action plan SMART and costed?
16) Is there regularly reported information available on the council’s progress toward the targets (e.g. net zero)
17) Is the council graphing their progress to net zero and other targets? (Are these ‘at a glance progress indicators’ easy to find on their web page not just info buried in a long report?)
18) Have the council committed to divest from fossil fuels (and by when)?
19) Does council post minutes of climate emergency steering / TTF group on website
20) What is the council already doing / what examples of best practice can we learn from them?
13:36:34 From Jonathan Brown : Thanks!
13:38:34 From Dee Ross : Don’t forget there are lots of other Environmental, Climate Action and Transition Town groups out there, not just XR, that are working with or would love to work with councils.
13:42:17 From cynthia dereli : Cynthia Dereli to Shaun: Do you have opportunities to talk to people about the need the support developing countries on climate action? Do you see SDGs as essentially UN trying to get developed countries to target resources of Aid towards Sustainable development there?
13:43:19 From Jonathan Brown : Does anyone have any examples of Councils using (or proposing to use) grant money to leverage positive carbon reductions as part of covid-19 recovery plans?
13:43:26 From Clare Shorter : Thanks Shana. Can you give us the links to those “cutting” edge blogs here?
13:43:51 From Carole : Our council, Lewisham, declare CE Feb 2019 its plans has 3 areas, with associated costs from Council only to whole borough…..Problem is budget. Now worse with COVID cost and councils savings they have to make.
13:44:29 From laurence’s iPad : Laurence here from Mole Valley in Surrey. Mole Valley has a 2030 zero carbon plan. For their own operations and nothing beyond this except to influence others. nothing about a just transition either.
13:45:05 From Kevin Frea : If you want to say something about what’s happening in your council put hand here or put your hand up on zoom.
13:45:16 From Shana Tufail : Sure Clare – Noel is the head of strategy at Camden Council and writes on his linkedin – https://www.linkedin.com/in/noelhatch/
13:45:41 From Bob Bollen : Here’s what a group of us are doing in Kingston to work towards an ambitious Peoples Assembly on the Climate Emergency in Kingston https://k-pace.uk/
13:46:05 From Bob Bollen : And I can also tell about what’s happening between XR & the council
13:46:27 From Kevin Frea to Bob Bollen(Privately) : great, can I call you next?
13:47:13 From Carole : Julian , could you please repeat the name for exploring spaces for roofs?
13:48:22 From Bob Bollen to Kevin Frea(Privately) : yes
13:49:20 From XR Glos Coords : Does anyone have any info on helping Councils with their Climate Emergency Response plans and working within a Donut Economics framework?
13:50:07 From Shana Tufail : Hey Cynthia, there is an increasing appetite for businesses and councils to localise the SDGS – and this has grown more prominent during covid with SDGS and Kate raworth’s donut as frameworks for local post covid recovery
13:50:54 From Kevin Frea : are following a Donut model – see previous zoom meeting. Am keen to get a group together to promote this. Email: declare@climateemergency.uk
13:50:56 From kate : Love the idea of a ‘Peoples Green New Deal’ and dio (do it ourselves)
13:51:13 From John Pennell Norfok ALC to Kevin Frea(Privately) : This chap is good – so this is my HAND up
13:51:25 From Kevin Frea : Missed the word: Cornwall in previous message.
13:51:54 From Shana Tufail : https://www.ukssd.co.uk/blog/lets-learn-from-each-other
13:52:05 From Kevin Frea to John Pennell Norfok ALC(Privately) : Thanks John, couple before you.
13:52:49 From iPhone : there’s already a long tradition of social and ethical investments eg Bristol Energy Coop – £10m plus ingested. also the new Community Mutual Investment bonds eg West BerkshireCouncil
13:54:28 From kate : @Shana – we, not on linked in can’t access Noel on his linkedin – https://www.linkedin.com/in/noelhatch/
13:55:59 From John Pennell Norfok ALC : There are 9,000 parish and town councils in England. Over 16 million people live in communities served by these local councils, which is around 25% of the population, and about 80,000 councillors serve on these councils. It is calculated £1 billion is invested in these communities every year al farming and a lot of Forestry and water exists in those parishes They have the power and duty to create allotments
13:56:14 From Shana Tufail : Kate – medium/@noelito // twitter.com/noelito
13:56:19 From Jonathan Brown : @julian Thompson could you please share some links to some of these schemes? If not actual providers then sources of info about them? Thanks!
13:56:34 From Shana Tufail : Camden plan – https://www3.camden.gov.uk/2025/
13:57:39 From Julie Milton : Julian – do you have a link for the ‘people’s new deal’?
13:57:57 From Mike Jones : Julian – can you share the link to the mapping tools ? we are trying to do this in Staffordshire
13:58:07 From Bob Bollen : Julian – it would be great to have your contact details please
13:58:36 From Kevin Frea : We’ll put links on the http://www.climateemergency.uk/events website
13:58:40 From Michael Dower : Youy maya like to look at the EU Climate Pact for ways that govrments can supprt community-based climate-related actions Michael Dower
13:58:43 From Kevin Frea : and this chat.
14:00:34 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : I can send transcript of what I was saying (with actually a lot more details on various parts including what my local council Redcar and Cleveland are up to) as I was concerned not to go too much over the 5 minutes I’d been asked to speak for 😉
14:01:07 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : Nice work Bob 🙂
14:03:13 From kate : Where can I find FoE’s 35 actions? Can someone please post the link here?
14:03:45 From Julie Milton : Kevin – I’d like to ask a question, please.
14:03:45 From Clare Shorter : FoE web site has link
14:04:02 From Bob Bollen : FoE/ Ashden have produced a brilliant set of 50 ideas for local authorities to do https://takeclimateaction.uk/sites/files/climate/documents/2020-03/A4_ClimateActionPlan_update%20March%202020.docx along with a detailed technical spreadsheet https://www.ashden.org/programmes/top-31-climate-actions-for-councils
14:06:02 From PETER’s iPhone : thank you so much to all the speakers for the excellent presentations and information, it is exciting and comforting to know you are all there doing this massive work
14:06:06 From Susanna Dart to Kevin Frea(Privately) : From FB Adeline Louise
Any ressources available for the “people’s green new deal”?
14:06:39 From Susanna Dart to Kevin Frea(Privately) : Also from FB: Sagar Shah
What’s the progress on renewables implementation?
14:07:43 From Liz : Thank you- especially to Julian -inspirational.
14:08:15 From kate : @Bob Thanks.
14:08:24 From Geoff Barnard SECA : Here’s a link to some resources for campaigners on the SECA website https://seclimatealliance.uk/resources-for-campaigns/
14:08:27 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : there is a toolkit for peoples assemblies which are an important part of any people’s green new deal (it’s on the XR webpage)
14:08:58 From John Pennell Norfok ALC : my contact details :well-being@norfolkalc.gov.uk
14:09:05 From Shana Tufail : That’s a really good idea for a toolkit – working with your council !!
14:09:33 From laurence’s iPad : thanks all for putting this on and to all speakers and contributors for brilliant info. can I save the chat? also can I offer people to look up Labour for a green new deal – we want to work with o5hers and hold our party to its GND commitments.
14:09:40 From John Pennell Norfok ALC : We are building a data repository – open to all
14:09:48 From Pat Smith to Kevin Frea(Privately) : Is it too late to say something? Dorking Climate Emergency are contacting all our councils with a very accessible slide show. I’d like to menton our website of the same name.
14:10:20 From Mike Jones : CAT are also looking at how to influence councils as part of their Zero Carbon Britain project
14:10:31 From Shana Tufail : Thanks, great to hear from all the speakers
14:10:44 From Liz : Thank you, Kevin- a fantastic resource.
14:10:48 From Clare Shorter : many thanks for an inspiring series of webinars.
14:10:51 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : https://rebellion.earth/act-now/resources/peoples-assemblies/
14:11:11 From Julie Milton : Fantastic series of webinars, Kevin – thanks very much indeed.
14:11:33 From Shana Tufail : What’s the Facebook link please?
14:11:49 From Rowan, teesside, (they/them) : thanks so much for organising these Kevin they have been fantastically useful.
14:12:11 From Julie Milton : Citizens’ community action would be great for the next series
14:12:20 From Dee Ross : Thank you